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From the Magazine / December 1998 Issue

The Runaway Genius

The herculean struggle to get Terrence Malick's first movie in two decades–a film version of James Jones's war epic The Thin Red Line–to the screen was complicated not only by its elusive director’s reticence but also by the two producers who believe they made it all happen.

By Peter BiskindApril 23, 2010

www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2010/04/runaway-genius-199812

When The Thin Red Line, a tale of World War II, unleashes its artillery—including an all-star cast of Sean Penn, Nick Nolte, John Travolta, Woody Harrelson, John Cusack, Bill Pullman, Gary Oldman, George Clooney, and others—in December, expect a 21-gun salute to a hero who seems certain to remain an unseen soldier. The project marks the return, after exactly two decades, of the mysterious director Terrence Malick, whose Badlands (1973) and Days of Heaven (1978) are classics. Malick, who declined to speak for this article, has established himself as a sort of cinematic Salinger, as silent as Garbo, as evasive as the Fugitive. A fleeting presence, like the rare birds he loves to watch, Malick is the kind of seductive talent sought after as much for his elusiveness as for his eye. He has always been an enigma, one of modern Hollywood’s genuine myths. Nobody knows why, at the height of his powers, after those two unforgettable films, he walked away from directing. And nobody knows why he came back. But one thing is definite: offscreen a battle rages about who deserves the credit for bringing Malick home.

Bobby Geisler first met Malick in 1978 when he approached the filmmaker to direct a movie version of David Rabe’s play In the Boom Boom Room. Geisler—short and cheerful with long, thinning locks and an accent that softly suggests the South—was a novice producer who had been deeply impressed by Badlands, which starred then unknowns Martin Sheen and Sissy Spacek in a story loosely based on the bloody career of spree killer Charles Starkweather and his girlfriend, Caril Ann Fugate. With its stunning mix of psycho and pastoral, Badlands inspired subsequent lovers-on-the-lam films, culminating in Oliver Stone’s notorious homage, Natural Born Killers, in 1994. Badlands made its debut at the New York Film Festival in 1973, overshadowing even Martin Scorsese’s Mean Streets.

Malick turned down the Rabe project. Still, he and Geisler had hit it off and began meeting at Los Angeles restaurants little frequented by celebrities, such as the Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset and Doheny, where they sat in back batting around ideas. Malick, about 35 then, was bearish and bearded. He had the beef-eating habits of a boy raised in Texas and Oklahoma; as he talked he wolfed down hamburgers, two at a time. Malick invariably wore jeans and a seersucker sport coat a little too small for him. It gave him a slightly Chaplinesque air. Geisler kidded him that it looked like the seersucker jacket that Kit Carruthers—Sheen’s Starkweather surrogate—stole from a rich man’s house in Badlands.

For 18 months or so, well into 1979, Geisler and Malick worked on a project based on the life of Joseph Merrick, the 19th-century British sideshow celebrity who suffered from a rare, debilitating disease. One day Geisler was stunned to receive an invitation to a screening of Days of Heaven, Malick’s new picture. The director had never mentioned it.

Featuring Richard Gere in his first big role, along with Sam Shepard and Brooke Adams, Days of Heaven was a brutal shoot, complicated by conflict between the director and its temperamental male lead, as well as by savage battles between Malick and the producers, Bert and Harold Schneider. Linda Palevsky, then married to Malick’s friend and patron, computer millionaire Max Palevsky, recalls, “Terry’s quite mad, and he had this notion of wanting to make the perfect movie. He used to describe the kind of purity he wanted—he would say things like ‘You have a drop of water on a pond, that moment of perfection.’ That’s the kind of quality he expected from the work he did, and if he couldn’t do that, then there was no point making a movie. You’d say to Terry, ‘You really ought to go into therapy,’ and he’d say, ‘If I go to therapy, I’ll lose my creative [juice].’”

The picture languished in the editing room for nearly two years, partly because Malick wouldn’t or couldn’t make decisions. Says Paul Ryan, who shot second unit on the film, “Terry’s not one to draw things to a close.” Confounding the doubters, Days of Heaven emerged as a testimony to Malick’s artistic persistence, a dark jewel of a film, acclaimed for its stunning imagery, even by critics who found its meager narrative elliptical. The movie was nominated for four Oscars (winning the best-cinematography award) and impressed Charles Bluhdorn, the colorful head of Paramount’s parent company, Gulf & Western, who fell in love with Malick’s melancholy tone and dreamy landscapes. Bluhdorn gave him a production deal. Still, Malick seemed to feel he had failed at what he had set out to do.

Geisler’s Merrick project never wound up on Malick’s Paramount agenda. When director David Lynch announced his Merrick project, The Elephant Man, Malick and Geisler shelved theirs—and quickly lost touch. Still, Malick had made a lasting impression on the producer. “I thought Terry was a genius, an artist, and I was completely mesmerized by him,” Geisler says. “I felt better when I was with him, and more than anything I wanted to learn from him, swore that I would produce a play or a movie of Terry’s if it was the last thing that I did.”

Exhausted and bruised by Days of Heaven, Malick spent considerable time with his girlfriend, Michie Gleason, in Paris. While she directed a film called Broken English, he labored in their Rue Jacob apartment on his new script, tentatively entitled Q. Its prologue, which dramatized the origins of life, became increasingly elaborate and would ultimately take over the rest of the story.

Malick shuttled between Paris and Los Angeles, where he hired a small crew, including cameraman Ryan and special-effects consultant Richard Taylor, who worked intensely for a year or so to realize Malick’s vision. “He wanted to do something different, get images nobody had ever seen before,” recalls Ryan. In one version, the story began with a sleeping god, underwater, dreaming of the origins of the universe, starting with the big bang and moving forward, as fluorescent fish swam into the deity’s nostrils and out again.

“Terry was one of the coolest guys I ever worked with,” says Taylor. “He had a passion for trying to do things from the heart. The amount of work we produced was phenomenal.” Malick dispatched cameramen all over the world—to the Great Barrier Reef to shoot micro jellyfish, to Mount Etna to shoot volcanic action, to Antarctica to shoot ice shelves breaking off. “He was writing pages of poetry, with no dialogue, glorious visual descriptions,” Ryan continues. “Every few months, Paramount would say, ‘What are you doing?’ He’d give them 30 pages that would keep them happy for a while. But eventually they said, ‘Send us a script that starts with page one and at the end says, “The End.” We don’t care what it is, but do something.’ Terry’s somebody who always functioned very well from the underground position. Suddenly, everybody was looking at him. . . . He did not work well under those conditions. He didn’t want to be on the spot.”

Taylor adds: “Then one Monday, Terry never showed up. He didn’t call anybody, we couldn’t find him—we got worried that maybe something had happened to him. Finally, after about two weeks, we got a phone call. He was in Paris, and he said, ‘I’m not sure if I’m going to make this picture. Maybe you should just pack all that stuff up.’ He just stopped. It was disappointing. I had never put my heart into a project as much as I did that one.”

Malick’s relationship with Gleason ended, leaving him as bitter and disillusioned personally as he had become professionally. Still, he liked Paris and was spending more time there. Every now and then he called friends. On one occasion he exclaimed to Ryan, “I have a great idea. We’re gonna give cameras to people who are just coming out of insane asylums, and let them film. You think that’s nuts, but it’s not. I’m deadly serious about this.”

One day in 1980 or 1981, Malick’s landlord introduced him to Michèle, a tall, thirtysomething blonde Parisienne who lived in the same building. She had a young daughter, Alexandra. Michèle had never met anyone like Malick. “He takes you places where you never go with regular people,” she says. “He’s interested in everything from ants and plants and flowers and grass to philosophy. And it’s not superficial. He reads all the time and remembers everything. He’s got this incredible charm . . . something interior.”

Malick, friends surmised, was trying to fashion a normal life far from Hollywood. Michèle had become part of that. She thought of herself as average, unglamorous. She cooked and did dishes while Malick played father to Alex. Occasionally, they attended Mass. Always preoccupied with faith and religion, Malick knows the Bible well.

In a year or two, the trio moved to Austin, Texas, where Terry had attended prep school, St. Stephen’s Episcopal, in Westlake Hills. He had been a star football player and outstanding student. His parents, whom he and Michèle visited often, lived by then in Bartlesville, Oklahoma. Terry’s father, Emil, was an oil geologist of Lebanese extraction (“Malick” means “king” in Arabic) who worked for Phillips Petroleum. His mother, Irene, is Irish and grew up on a farm in the Chicago area.

The Malicks were a family of secrets, marked by tragedy. Terry was the oldest of three boys. Chris, the middle son, had been involved in a terrible automobile accident in which his wife was killed. Chris was badly burned.

Larry, the youngest, went to Spain to study with the guitar virtuoso Segovia. Terry discovered in the summer of 1968 that Larry had broken his own hands, seemingly despondent over his lack of progress. Emil, concerned, went to Spain and returned with Larry’s body; it appeared the young man had committed suicide. Like most relatives of those who take their own lives, Terry must have borne a heavy burden of irrational guilt. According to Michèle, the subject of Larry was never mentioned.

Malick was worshiped by his family. He was devoted to his mother. (For years he wouldn’t allow her to read the script of The Thin Red Line because of the profanity.) But he had terrible fights with his father, often over trivial issues. Even at the age of 50, according to Michèle, he still argued with Emil over whether he should wear a tie to church. Another bone of contention was family photographs. Malick’s father loved to take pictures, but it made Terry uncomfortable. (Malick’s contract with Twentieth Century Fox prevents his likeness from being used to promote The Thin Red Line.)

Michèle did her best to adapt to Austin. Malick took her on bird-watching expeditions to Big Bend National Park in south Texas. But she was out of her element. Although Terry, who spoke softly and slowly, tried to avoid confrontations, he shared his father’s temper. According to Michèle, Terry loved to debate abstract intellectual issues but had very rigid ideas about how domestic life ought to be lived. He did not brook contradiction.

The first real fight he and Michèle had was over buying a television, which she thought Alex, who was 11 or so by then, needed to help acclimate her to a foreign country. Malick, who has the habit of casting his likes, dislikes, and personal eccentricities as matters of principle, argued that TV was trash, that it would ruin the child. (When traveling, Malick often had the TV removed from his hotel rooms, and when that wasn’t possible, covered it.) Michèle wouldn’t relent—and there was a blow-up. At difficult times like these, Malick would often just leave, for hours, days, or weeks. She never knew where he went, and it made her crazy.

Malick had other eccentricities. He was compulsively neat and possessive about his things. Michèle says she was not allowed to cross the threshold of his office. If she wanted to read one of his books, he preferred to buy another copy rather than lend his own. It was difficult for her to figure out what he was reading, anyway: he always placed books cover down. When he listened to music, he used a Walkman and rarely left cassettes faceup.

Malick didn’t discuss his film work with Michèle, telling her, “I want my personal life to be completely separate from the movies.” Although once in a while she read his scripts, mostly he wouldn’t tell her what he was working on, and she was not supposed to ask. Occasionally, Malick went to Los Angeles, and every so often he took Michèle along. She met a few of his friends. Malick and Michèle had married in 1985, but no one in L.A. had known of the wedding, or even of their relationship. She felt she had ceased to exist.

Alex had become sassy and rebellious. But Malick was very strict. Not only was there no TV, there was no candy, no telephone. The stricter he became, the more the teenager acted out. Michèle was not strong enough to protect her. One day, Terry and Michèle found Alex gone. She had apparently gotten her father to send her a ticket to France. She was only 15 at the time.

Malick’s production deal with Paramount had ended in 1983 after the sudden death of Charles Bluhdorn. He supported himself by writing the occasional script. He did something for Louis Malle and also completed a rewrite of a Robert Dillon script called Countryman for producers Edward Lewis and Robert Cortes in 1984. “I couldn’t communicate with him directly,” recalls Cortes. “I would make a phone call to a certain number, leave a message, and then his brother would call me back.” Once, Malick and Cortes actually met face-to-face at Universal executive Ned Tanen’s home in Santa Monica Canyon. After the meeting, Cortes offered to give him a lift. “He was very cryptic about where to drop him off,” Cortes continues. “I let him out at the corner of Wilshire and Seventh or somewhere. He waited for me to drive away, and then he just walked off.”

Mike Medavoy, who then headed production at Orion Pictures and who had been Malick’s agent, hired the director to write a script for Great Balls of Fire! Malick also did a rewrite of a script based on Walker Percy’s novel The Moviegoer. In 1986, Rob Cohen, then head of Taft-Barish Productions, hired him to adapt Larry McMurtry’s The Desert Rose for Barry Levinson to direct. “Malick was someone who was listening to a high whine in his head,” recalls Cohen. “He was very tense and fragile, the least likely person to be a director. I once had to have a meeting with him in Westwood. He was getting up every five minutes and hiding behind pillars; he kept thinking he saw somebody he knew. He would call me, and I’d hear trucks rolling by on the highway, and I’d say, ‘Where are you?’ and he’d answer, ‘I’m walking to Oklahoma!’ ‘What do you mean, you’re walking to Oklahoma? From Texas?’ ‘Yeah, I’m looking at birds.’”

By the time Geisler reconnected with Malick in 1988, the producer was teamed up with another Texan, John Roberdeau, who had grown up in Austin. Roberdeau was also a Malick devotee, who had committed Days of Heaven to memory—every shot, every cut, every scrap of dialogue. Geisler and Roberdeau have a mixed reputation in the film and theater community. They are praised by many for their taste and generosity to artists, but disliked by others for their tireless self-promotion and record of running up bad debts. At the time they met Malick, they had produced several plays—including a Broadway production of Eugene O’Neill’s five-hour drama, Strange Interlude, on Broadway with Glenda Jackson. But, after a decade in the business, they had completed only one movie, Streamers (in 1983). Robert Altman, the film’s cantankerous director, had grown so frustrated with the pair’s interference that the relationship completely broke down.

Geisler and Roberdeau approached Malick about writing and directing a picture based on D. M. Thomas’s novel The White Hotel, a vividly erotic story of the Freudian analysis of a woman who dies in a concentration camp. In a characteristic display of largesse, they offered him $2 million, which they didn’t yet have. Malick declined, but went on to concede that it might be time he went back to movies. Geisler recalls Malick’s saying that if the two producers would be patient they could walk down that path together. Malick told them he would be willing to write an adaptation of Molière’s Tartuffe—a classic farce—or James Jones’s World War II saga The Thin Red Line, a sequel of sorts to From Here to Eternity. Geisler and Roberdeau sensibly chose the latter and paid Malick $250,000 to write a script.

Malick sent Geisler and Roberdeau a first draft in late May of 1989. The producers flew to Paris and met up with the director and his wife on the Pont Saint-Louis, a bridge which connects the precincts of Notre Dame to the Île Saint-Louis. In a gesture both thoughtful and seductive, they gave the Malicks a silver flask from Tiffany on which was inscribed a sergeant’s chevron and one of their favorite lines from the Jones novel: “Billions of hard, bright stars shone with relentless glitter across the tropic night sky.” They had dinner at the Brasserie de l’Île Saint-Louis, where Jones, who had died in 1977, and his wife, Gloria, had often lunched. The foursome walked up the Quai d’Orléans to No. 10, where Jones had lived, and Malick bowed before the former home of the master.

At Le Jardin des Plantes and other sites around Paris they settled in to discuss the script. Geisler had prepared 400 notes, and he believes his seriousness impressed Malick. “Had we not delivered 400 notes,” Geisler maintains, “had we just said, ‘Thanks for the screenplay, we’ll be in touch later,’ he would not have directed it. It was because we were in this dialogue that he did.

“The notion that we discussed endlessly,” Geisler continues, “was that Malick’s Guadalcanal would be a Paradise Lost, an Eden, raped by the green poison, as Terry used to call it, of war. Much of the violence was to be portrayed indirectly. A soldier is shot, but rather than showing a Spielbergian bloody face we see a tree explode, the shredded vegetation, and a gorgeous bird with a broken wing flying out of the tree.”

Malick had agonized about every deviation from Jones’s novel, no matter how trivial. He asked Gloria Jones’s permission for the smallest changes. Eventually she told him, “Terry, you have my husband’s voice, you’re writing in his musical key; now what you must do is improvise. Play riffs on this.”

Malick ultimately fashioned a remarkable script, infused with his own sensibility. But he had made some questionable choices. He retained several of Jones’s more conventional situations, but dropped some interesting elements, including the suggestion of a homoerotic undertow among some of the characters. Later, he changed Stein, a Jewish captain, to Staros, an officer of Greek extraction, thereby gutting Jones’s indictment of anti-Semitism in the military, which the novelist had observed close-up in his own company.

On the final night of the producers’ visit, over dinner at the Café de Flore, in a dramatic appeal he had rehearsed ahead of time, Geisler beseeched Malick to direct the script himself, and assured him that he and his partner would wait forever if necessary. According to Geisler, Malick agreed.

But the director left open numerous doors through which he might make a hasty exit. Always cautious, he wasn’t about to enter into any ironclad commitments. The producers realized that although they had hooked their fish, it was far from reeled in. “It was important that we find a way to remain in continual touch with Terry,” Geisler says, candid about his efforts to cement the relationship. “The best way to do that was to commission him to develop another project.” In late 1989, although Malick had never before written a play and was not much interested in the stage, he suggested adapting the story which had been the basis for the great Kenji Mizoguchi film Sanshō the Bailiff for the theater. Geisler and Roberdeau agreed to pay him $200,000, plus a $50,000 bonus, which Malick would collect the night the play opened on Broadway.

The producers plunged into the research, supplying Malick with anything and everything he needed. And often, expensively, going him one better. No script existed for the Mizoguchi film, so they had it transcribed and translated by both a Japanese linguist who spoke English and an American who spoke Japanese. (Debates over particularly enigmatic areas of the text were also incorporated.) The producers excavated 10th-century literature written in ancient Japanese—travel sketches and diaries. They taped Japanese children who were the same age as the children in the script, speaking Malick’s lines, so he could hear what they sounded like.

The three men became what the producers considered to be close friends. Geisler corresponded with Emil Malick, sending him newspaper clippings on subjects of interest to him, and even two city guides to Washington, D.C., on the eve of a visit. When Roberdeau’s brother was diagnosed with leukemia, Malick offered to donate his bone marrow. Even though the producers had other projects—they had enlisted the now deceased Dennis Potter to write The White Hotel—Malick was the focus. Claims Geisler, “We behaved like family toward each other. We liked each other, I thought, loved each other. He was the center and circumference of our lives.”

Occasionally, the trio converged on Los Angeles. At the Beverly Hills Hotel, Malick asked them to request one of the first-floor rooms in the back, with the patios. Rather than use the valet, he parked on Crescent Drive, adjacent to the hotel, and instead of walking through the lobby, he crossed the grounds and entered from the rear, hopping over the little patio fence, rapping on the plate-glass door for admittance. Says Roberdeau, “It was as if he was Greta Garbo or something.”

The producers’ friends told them that they were crazy, that Malick would never finish a project. But, says Geisler, “I thought we were working with a guy who was one of the few true artists of the 20th century. It wasn’t an easy day’s work, but it was a great day’s work. Terry was the Holy Grail. He was thought to be unfindable, unapproachable, unconvincible. Others had failed; we would be successful. We realized how much that might mean to our careers.”

Malick, still not entirely won over, had plenty of caveats. For a long time he would not allow the producers to keep a sample of his handwriting. They say original copies of documents bearing his penmanship were to be returned to him with no copies made. Handwritten notes were to be destroyed. It reminded Roberdeau of Badlands, in which Sheen’s character would never sign his name the same way twice out of fear of forgery.

Geisler and Roberdeau practiced what they called “method producing,” which consisted of elaborate (and expensive) trips, flying to San Francisco to see the Kodo Drummers, visiting an Asian collection at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts and then heading on to Grafton, Vermont, for a Sanshō the Bailiff editing session while they ate cheese soup and watched the leaves turn. They booked Malick into the best hotels, reserved tables at the finest restaurants. Sometimes he took such first-class service for granted, but occasionally he balked, tried to plan his own trips, or rejected a car. They sent it anyway.

One day in the fall of 1990, Malick told the producers he had long been working on a script called The English-Speaker, based upon Dr. Josef Breuer’s well-known 19th-century case study of Anna O., a hysteric. In Malick’s silent world of secrets, this script was especially personal, private. He would allow no one but Geisler to read it. Of the project, the producer says, “It’s as if he had ripped open his heart and bled his true feelings onto the page.” It is indeed a remarkable script, The Exorcist as written by Dostoyevsky. So when Malick said, “Let’s do this,” Geisler and Roberdeau, drunk on his prose poetry, agreed, paying him $400,000.

Late in the summer of 1990, Malick had turned in the first draft of Sanshō the Bailiff. The producers knew it wasn’t quite there yet, but in early 1991 they sent it out to directors Peter Brook, Peter Stein, and Ingmar Bergman. Each turned it down. Undeterred, the producers conceived the ambitious notion of staging the play as a workshop and inviting the participation of the world’s masters of set design, sound, lighting, and choreography. But they still needed a director.

In August 1992, Geisler and Roberdeau, along with the Malicks—who by that time were estranged and living separately—met up at the music festival in Salzburg. They were impressed by the great Andrzej Wajda’s staging of the Polish classic Wesele and were familiar with Wajda’s celebrated trilogy—A Generation, Kanal, and Ashes and Diamonds—a masterpiece of world cinema.

Wajda had never heard of Malick, but flew to New York in October to screen Badlands and Days of Heaven at the Tribeca Film Center. Afterward, at a nearby restaurant, he agreed to direct Sanshō the Bailiff. The tables were covered with butcher paper, and Wajda drew a picture with crayons. He inscribed it, “For Terry from Andrzej Wajda.” Geisler was so excited, he called Malick in Austin, saying: “Next stop, Warsaw!”

On a cold and wintry December evening of the same year, the Malicks and the producers converged on Wajda’s family home in Warsaw. Faded photographs of ancestors and war heroes illuminated by flickering candles in sconces peered down at them from the green enameled walls as they shared a traditional dinner with Wajda and his wife, actress Krystyna Zachwatowicz, two enormous dogs, and various friends and relatives who dropped by.

Malick, who detests beets and fish with bones—or even the appearance of bones—seemed ill at ease as the guests hungrily attacked the three beet dishes (pickled and roasted beets, as well as borscht), four varieties of herring, along with kasha, duck, and 10 or so other delicacies. The meal was washed down with generous quantities of Polish vodka, which Malick drank sparingly.

Wajda felt that the play required substantial revision. He expected Malick to roll up his shirtsleeves and do more, do better. Sitting by the roaring fire after the sumptuous meal, Wajda turned to Malick and said, “Terry, what you need to do to Sanshō the Bailiff is make it more like Shakespeare.”

Recalls Geisler, “That was the beginning of the end.”

The workshop was budgeted at $600,000. As the first day approached, the producers’ long-suffering backers abruptly pulled out. Still, the show went on. True to their word, Geisler and Roberdeau did manage to gather some remarkable international talents, including lighting designer Jennifer Tipton, sound designer Hans Peter Kuhn, and a collection of fine Asian-American actors. But the six-week workshop, held at the Brooklyn Academy of Music (BAM) in November of 1993, was a bust.

The relationship between Malick and Wajda quickly deteriorated. A few days into the workshop, Michèle arrived from Paris to see her husband. To her, it seemed that Wajda was threatened by Malick’s presence. Malick thought Wajda didn’t understand his play; he was frustrated by how little the director was bringing to it. He was angered by what he regarded as Wajda’s condescending attitude—“You, boy, go do your rewrites.”

Wajda spoke English to Geisler and Roberdeau, but never a word to Malick, with whom he conversed through translators. He was annoyed that Malick had not done the work he wanted. Malick insisted on doing it his way, but he wasn’t the director. Says Kuhn, “Terry didn’t know anything about theater, and he was not interested in learning. He was very stubborn.”

On the last day, just after Michèle returned to Paris, Malick asked the producers for a limo. Geisler and Roberdeau were puzzled; he had never asked for a car and chauffeur before. They were flabbergasted when they saw it was for Ecky Wallace, an Austin woman who was an old friend of Malick’s from St. Stephen’s. Later, she became Malick’s girlfriend.

The workshop cost $800,000, alienated Malick, and left the producers devastated, although it was a disaster of their own making. The play just wasn’t ready. Geisler and Roberdeau were besieged by angry creditors—BAM, caterers, travel agents, publicists, restaurants. The partners were dead broke. They sold their furniture to meet their payroll; Roberdeau sold CDs and books so they could eat. One creditor managed to have Geisler arrested. He was led from his town house in handcuffs, marched down West Ninth Street in Manhattan’s Greenwich Village, and thrown in jail overnight for grand larceny, a charge that was later dismissed. (In April 1996, Geisler and Roberdeau were evicted from the home they shared.)

Says Roberdeau, “It was ridiculous. We were sitting on all these assets that we had sunk our money, blood, and time into. It was time to put Terry on notice.” In December, they began to press Terry about which of the two movie projects would go first, The English-Speaker or The Thin Red Line. Geisler, who was closer to Malick, played the good cop, Roberdeau the bad. The latter angrily told the director, “Don’t pretend you’re not a participant in all of this.” But, says Geisler, Malick blithely refused “to take any responsibility whatsoever. Our problems were our problems. He had forewarned us in the beginning that his timetable would be his timetable, and if we were still standing by the time that he got around to directing one or both of the movies, that would be great.”

In January 1995, the producers sent Malick a note, begging him to allow them to approach Mike Medavoy, who was in the process of setting up his own company, Phoenix Pictures, to finance The English-Speaker and/or The Thin Red Line. They say Malick never answered. Geisler and Roberdeau borrowed money for tickets and flew to Los Angeles, arriving in a teeming rainstorm. Fallen trees blocked the narrow roads that thread the canyons of Beverly Hills. Later the two men came to feel that they had ignored a portent of biblical proportions. But Medavoy agreed to give them $100,000 to secure the project for his company; he said he would back The Thin Red Line with the other two men serving as producers.

But Sanshō the Bailiff had badly damaged the relationship between Malick and the producers. Geisler and Roberdeau, terrified, made herculean efforts to mend fences. By the following year, Malick’s wounds had apparently begun to heal, and the three men again professed affection for one another. Geisler and Roberdeau say that Malick asked them to hire him to adapt A Tale of Two Cities for the stage.

The producers spoke between themselves about how to keep the pressure on, how to steer Malick away from theater and toward starting The Thin Red Line. At the time, the feeling was that since the film’s message was that war dehumanized the G.I.’s and made them anonymous, stars would not be used in the picture. The producers sent their two assistants on weekend trips to the Midwest to scout fresh faces, corn-fed boys at spelling bees and debating contests. It was expensive, but it was a way of moving Malick forward.

March of 1995 brought a reading of The Thin Red Line at Medavoy’s home. The Malick magic worked its spell. The reading included Martin Sheen delivering the screen directions, Kevin Costner, Will Patton, Dermot Mulroney, Peter Berg, and Lukas Haas.

Malick was nervous. His face was flushed. He had prepared some remarks, but when he stood up his mind went blank. He was deeply embarrassed and looked as if he just wanted to survive to the end. Observes Roberdeau, “He was in his element, but he was painfully aware that everybody was looking at him as the master. This was a kind of coming-out.” The fact that Malick turned up at all was a symbolic gesture that somehow made The Thin Red Line official. But there was still a long road ahead.

In June, a five-day workshop was scheduled, also at Medavoy’s. A few weeks before it was due to begin, Malick said he couldn’t sleep at night; he was worried that Geisler and Roberdeau might produce Sanshō the Bailiff before he finished it, directed by someone else. They say he demanded that his producers relinquish all rights to the play to him. Geisler says, “Terry would have drawn a line in the sand, and The Thin Red Line wouldn’t be happening today.” By this time, they had invested nearly $1 million and a decade’s effort in The Thin Red Line. They agreed to his terms.

Plans for the film workshop proceeded. One day Brad Pitt dropped by. Malick met Johnny Depp at the Book Soup Bistro, on Sunset. Recalls Geisler, “Depp basically said to Malick, ‘Let’s sign this napkin; you tell me where to show up, when, what to play.’ After Depp and Pitt provided the affirmation Terry needed, it was easier to get him to meet with other actors.” But there was a downside to stars; Geisler told the suddenly starstruck director, “You’re going to compromise the movie.” Finally Malick gave in. According to a source, Malick said, “The audience will know that Pitt’s going to wake up after his death scene and collect his $1 million.”

But word had gotten out that Costner, Pitt, and Depp were up for roles in The Thin Red Line, and a feeding frenzy began among male actors. Geisler and Roberdeau were even getting calls from actresses. “There are no actresses in it,” Roberdeau told one agent. “There’s only a photograph of a woman in one scene.” Without missing a beat, the agent said, “She’ll play that! She’ll be the photograph.”

Pre-production moved slowly, with Malick displaying his characteristic reluctance to make decisions. Says a source, “It was hard for him to say something definite. He would couch [his ambivalence] in a way that was very compelling on the surface, all about being delicate, and he speaks so idiomatically that sometimes you get caught up in the beauty of what he’s saying, but fundamentally it was hard to get him to commit to things.” He met with scores of actors, told each of them, “There is no one whom I admire more.”

Around the beginning of 1996, Malick phoned Michèle in Paris and told her he wanted a divorce. It did not come as a complete surprise. There had been problems since her days in Austin. But she claims when she had asked Malick if things had changed between them, he had always said, “No, no, no.”

Malick was inching toward production, but there were still unresolved issues. As soon as Medavoy got involved, Geisler says, a turf war broke out. It was one that, without Malick’s support, Geisler and Roberdeau would inevitably lose. Medavoy says he welcomed the participation of Geisler and Roberdeau. “I did everything to keep them on,” he says. “I took them out to lunch. I said, ‘Here’s your chance to really learn how to make a movie.’”

But Geisler and Roberdeau had no experience with a project of this scale. Medavoy hired his friend, veteran producer George Stevens Jr., whom Malick had known and liked since the late 60s. (Stevens had invested in Badlands.) He was to supervise the production, which would largely take place in Queensland, Australia, and cost about $55 million.

Medavoy asked Geisler and Roberdeau to share their producers’ credit with Stevens. They refused.

In the fall of 1996, according to Geisler, Malick called him and said that he was once again having trouble sleeping. Now he was worried about The English-Speaker. He feared that, since his exclusive five-year directing option had lapsed at the end of 1995, the producers might turn it over to another director.

“I thought he wanted me to say a few words of love and reassurance,” recalls Geisler. But he says Malick made it clear that he would not proceed with The Thin Red Line unless the producers extended his right to direct The English-Speaker in perpetuity. The producers refused.

“Terry said that if we ultimately produced one of the three projects with him, we should feel ourselves lucky,” Geisler remembers, summing up an exchange with Malick. “I said, ‘You’re scaring me now, because you’re making me feel as if you have no intention ever of developing Sanshō or directing The English-Speaker, which was not the spirit in which these other projects were commissioned.’”

Medavoy agreed with them, told Malick that if he felt so strongly about The English-Speaker he should buy the script back or enter into a partnership with the producers. But Malick was adamant, denied he had any ulterior motives, and held out a carrot. Again, according to Geisler, he said, “We’ll clean our wound to the bone, proceed together on The Thin Red Line without doubt or suspicion. We will now be speaking pilot to pilot. I don’t want to jump out and see that you’re still on the plane. We’ll be able to jump out of the plane together.” Roberdeau broke in, saying, “I feel like I’ve already jumped out of the plane. I’m on the ground with my legs broken.”

Geisler consoled himself with fantasies about the glorious day when The Thin Red Line would finally open, “A Terrence Malick picture, produced by Robert Geisler and John Roberdeau.” He explains: “During those years of stress, selling furniture and books and CDs, I got through it because I said, ‘Bring Malick back and, oh, what a day it will be. What a reward we’ll have. We’ll stand shoulder to shoulder, speak pilot to pilot.’”

Principal photography was to begin on June 23, 1997. Phoenix had a deal with Sony, which was slated to co-finance the picture. Geisler and Roberdeau learned from a story in Variety that Sony president John Calley had pulled his company out of the film. They say they faxed the article to Malick in Australia, where he was scouting locations. He flew to Los Angeles immediately and pressed Medavoy, who admitted he didn’t have the financing. Geisler and Roberdeau claim that Malick was furious with his old friend, and asked them if, contractually, he could take the film away from Medavoy.

Medavoy responds, “I don’t know if that’s true or not, because Terry never mentioned it to me. I had told Terry that we ran the risk of not doing it at Sony, and since he was in Australia and unavailable, I waited until he got back to tell him that it wasn’t going to be Sony, but that we would find another distributor.”

In any event, Malick, Medavoy, and Stevens (sans Geisler and Roberdeau) were obliged to pitch the project, something Malick had hoped to avoid. Fox 2000 president Laura Ziskin agreed to pick up the film, but required the presence of some stars. They would play supporting roles while lower-wattage actors, such as Elias Koteas, Adrien Brody, and Jim Caviezel, took on the main parts. The last stone had been cleared from the path.

“In May of 1997, we were working our hearts out in New York, and I saw that people were beginning to move to Australia,” says Geisler. “We called Phoenix. Under no circumstances were we to be in Australia, ever! I called Terry and said, ‘What we just heard doesn’t square with either our recent situation, in which you seemed to rely upon me, if not hourly, at least every other day, nor our relationship over the last 10 or 20 years.’ We just wanted the pleasure of seeing him say ‘Action!’ for the first time in 20 years, feeling we had earned that, and he would not be there were it not for John and me.

“Basically he said I should be grateful to him for directing this movie. It was not what he expected to direct, he didn’t want to, he was doing it only for me. I said, ‘Terry, this is going to sound melodramatic and biblical, but let me put it to you like this: I feel like Moses. I led this fucking movie through the desert, and now the fun starts, everybody else is walking into the promised land.’ He said, ‘Bobby, there is no one for whom I have more admiration than you. No one speaks the truth to me like you do, Bobby.’” Essentially, says Geisler, Malick blamed it on Medavoy.

Geisler continues, “To be really theatrical about it, this sums up my whole life with Terry Malick.” He takes out a small manila envelope and turns it upside down, spilling a handful of brightly colored pills, like M&Ms, onto the table. He slowly counts out 17, some of which are vitamins. “Several years ago, I didn’t take anything,” he says. “My face has started falling off. High blood pressure, diabetes, I got fat, I drink too much. I’m never going to get over this. We were co-dependent. I don’t like to think this about myself, but we were members of a cult.” Adds Roberdeau, “We were the high priests of it. I’m the cardinal of Bobby’s Malick cult.”

Disputes between directors and producers are, as is well known, common in the film business. But what happened next was a little strange. Several journalists visited the set, among them Josh Young from Entertainment Weekly. Shortly thereafter, Young received a copy of a peculiar statement from the set on The Thin Red Line stationery, and a later letter, unsigned. The statement said, in part: “Bobby Geisler and John Roberdeau are imposters and confidence men who have no connection with Mr. Malick and who have had only a distant one in the past. Journalists should beware of letting these tricksters promote their own careers by using Mr. Malick’s name . . . ” The letter attacks them for crediting themselves “as the reason [Malick] has returned to filmmaking,” and credits Ecky Wallace instead.

It seems extremely unlikely that Malick would have lent himself to so bizarre an exercise as this one. But regardless of who wrote the statement, it reflects the sentiments of the people around Malick. Says Medavoy, “The [producers] were really resourceful in getting to Terry and putting the impetus into it, but I don’t think they convinced him to make the movie, maybe Ecky did. I don’t know. But one thing’s for sure: he came to it himself, and it wasn’t about money, it was about passion.”

Says Clayton Townsend, Oliver Stone’s producer, who worked on pre-production, “Geisler and Roberdeau are two guys who live in their own world. They’re very pretentious fellows and take great pride in their paper presentations. They just had a knack for putting on a lot of people along the way. I tried to stay clear of them.”

Adds one source, “There are a lot of people Geisler and Roberdeau owed money to. The fact is, they might have had the police after them if this picture hadn’t been set up. They are the great spenders of the Western world. They didn’t have enough money to pay for the office help, but you ask them to go out and get you a list of actors and they Federal Express you a book full of pictures in a $200 binder. The two guys are trying to get their careers started on Terry. They wore out their welcome.”

Adds another source, “It wasn’t that they were banned from the set. They hadn’t been involved for a year prior to the shooting, except in their own minds. They’re people Terry got involved with and wishes he hadn’t. Terry said that not only did they not bring him back, their being around was discouraging him from coming back.”

The source adds that Geisler and Roberdeau were working at cross-purposes with Phoenix. For example, he claims that the production was waiting for the delivery of uniforms, which never came. When the supplier was called, he said he had been fired by Roberdeau. (Geisler denies this.) Another source says that Geisler and Roberdeau were asked to give Adrien Brody, an actor they had recommended, a tape of Il Posto, a film that Malick wanted him to see. Instead they arranged a screening and dinner at the Royalton Hotel in New York for a dozen people. Malick was reportedly furious that they had “improved” on his instruction.

Adrien Brody plays Fife, a major character in the novel—Jones modeled him after himself. Now his scenes have been reduced, and the film, not unlike Oliver Stone’s 1986 Platoon, turns on the conflict between idealism and cynicism as embodied in the clash between two characters—Welsh, who is played by Sean Penn, and Witt, who is played by Jim Caviezel. (Caviezel and Elias Koteas, who plays Staros, are the two actors whose performances are generating advance praise.)

Although people around Malick now say that it was, among other things, Geisler and Roberdeau’s problems with creditors that estranged the director, their phone logs reveal that he was calling them frequently, often two or three times a day, as much as a year after The New York Observer went public with their financial woes, right up to the start of production.

The producers think Malick got rid of them because of their close relationship with Michèle. Says Geisler, “We and Michèle got divorced around the same time. We got the call and Michèle got the call. A chapter was closed and a chapter was opened.” Geisler and Roberdeau are contractually allowed to thank four people in the credits. Michèle Malick was one of the people they selected. According to Geisler, when Terry heard about all of this, he threatened to take his name off the picture.

Concludes Geisler, “Terry’s writing is obsessed with mercy and sacrifice and love and courage and comradeship, but that just doesn’t square with who he is: utterly unmerciful. But great artists are not necessarily always nice people.”

The fact is, we’ll probably never know the entire truth about this relationship. But one thing is clear: Malick and the producers, who did manage to retain their screen credit, were made for each other. His genius sparked their ambition; their ambition cleared his path back to filmmaking. Geisler and Roberdeau ensnared Malick in a web of love that he may have come to experience as obligation, and he broke loose. They tried to seduce him, become the circumference of his life, but he seduced them and became the center of theirs. As playwright Charles Mee Jr., who wrote four drafts of The White Hotel, puts it, “When Bobby and John first encounter an artist, they are so appreciative, they are so generous, but there comes a time when they would like some consideration in return, and if they don’t get it, they feel dissed. There comes a test of love—that most people fail.”

The fact is, the director has returned and, despite his long absence, brought The Thin Red Line in on time and on budget. The much discussed result is a “meditation on men and war,” as Laura Ziskin calls it, as far from Saving Private Ryan, the year’s other big war movie, as you can get. “The technical virtuosity of Saving Private Ryan is stunning,” she continues. “The artistic virtuosity of The Thin Red Line is equally stunning. There’s a kind of hypnotic quality to Malick’s movies, and this one is just mesmerizing.”

 

The Thin Red Line - Interview with Hans Zimmer

 


    The Inside Film Interview with Hans Zimmer, Music Composer

    This interview originally appeared in Inside Film on an unlisted date. Interview by Simon Goodman. Copyright of A & R Publishing, Limited.

    No. 5 Film Composer

    Composing the score for The Thin Red LIne was the hardest commission Hans Zimmer has ever accepted. And this is a man with one of the most prestigious portfoliors in the industry including As Good As It Gets, Rain Man, The Last Emperor, The Prince of Egypt and The Rock.

    Where did you train?

    I had two weeks of piano lessons. I was Stanley Myers' assistant--he wrote the music for The Deer Hunter. I was also in the Buggles. Remember Video Killed the Radio Star? We ruined a whole generation! I was doing commercials in London for Air-Edel. THey had a load of film composers and that's how I met him.

    What was your first gig and how did you get it?

    My Beautiful Laundrette. They let anybody do movies back then. Stanley and I did it together. After that I did A World Apart. That was my big break. Barry Levinson's wife liked the music and went out to buy the CD, and Barry hired me for Rain ManBlack Rain and Thelma and Louise for director Ridley Scott.

    What is the strangest film that you've had to score?

    True Romance was the strangest. We had money for nine musicians and so to spite the budget I hired the most useless, incongruous bunch of guys I could find. The diversity gave us a great result!

    And the hardest?

    Thin Red Line was the hardest. Terrence Malick wanted me to write the music first. Usually you compose to a rough cut. I threw all my previous knowledge out the window and started again. I needed to provide a structure for him to build the film on. Th one thing Terry gave me was the ability to be a better composer. I wrote for nine months without a day off. It was incredible pressure in the cutting room.

    Where's the best place to learn the craft these days?

    I thought the film music course at UCLA wasn't great so I put together a one-day seminar and taught there. The best training, though, is to just do it, not study it. You learn through failure. Commericals are a good place to start. It's about learning the aesthetics. You could also try becoming someone's apprentice. In LA, I have a whole studio of young composers learning off me all the time, in the same way that I learn from stanley all those years back.

    What about someone who want to get into the business?

    Ask yourself these questions. How sure am I of my talent? How stubborn and resilient am I? You need to stick to your guns when the going is tough. Also see yourself as a film maker, not a composer, because you are writing, but in a different language.

The Thin Red Line - Interview with Dash Mihok

 


    The Inside Film Interview with Dash Mihok

    This interview originally appeared in Inside Film on an unlisted date. Interview by Steve Goldman. Copyright of A & R Publishing, Limited.

    Friendly Fire (Part I)

    You must be pleased to be part of such an epic film.

    And to remain on screen, absolutely. I mean, there were a lot of other guys who were down there for months and they appeared for just 30 seconds. So at the very least I'm thankful for that. But even now I can say I loved it. I just thought it was so different from any other film I've ever seen. It's so much more about the balance of life, our connections and non-connections with God, our fear and non-fear of physical death and its meaning. It is about the struggle of each particular man in his own inner thoughts, and fears, and yet it's also the story of the whol group.

    Did the film make you think differently about war?

    Well, I wasn't a fan of war from the onset, I have to say. But in making a film like this you can get as close as you possibly can to that kind of experience without being shot at. I feel that when you're acting and you raise yourself to that level of adrenaline, it feels as if you're almost there. It has definitely left its mark on me.

    What attracted you to the project?

    All the obvious reasons--a great script, a great part, a great director. To be honest, I would have been excited to go and just work as a production assistant.

    Was anyone injured during the filming?

    To a limited extent. People got hurt here and there. There's one shot that Terry had to keep in the film because Ben Chaplin cut his face in it. Things like that. People tripping and falling. People following a little too close here and there. A lot of extras. A lot of actors. A lot of weaponry. A lot of tough terrain. For me, though, it was a simple equation. I was beaten to a pulp every night and my shins were as black as your hair--every night.

    You have a number of scenes with Sean Penn, whose reputation precedes him. What was it like working with him?

    Sean is Sean. He's so Sean. You know, he's funny and he's dry. He can be cynical and brutal and hysterical. He's all those things, he can turn on a dime and be mean, and then he's the sweetest guy in the world. But if anyone, it was Nick Nolte who dominated the set. Then again, it might have been an extension of his role as the Colonel. Of course, everyone at the end of the day took their marching orders from Terrence Malick.

    How does The Thin Red Line compare to Saving Private Ryan?

    I didn't think that Saving Private Ryan had a great script. I mean, I kind of think the script sucked basically. I think it was a great film and a great Spielberg movie, but this script blew Private Ryan out of the box. And by the way, I read for Matt Damon's part--Private Ryan--which I didn't get.

The Thin red Line - Interview with Elias Koteas

 


    The Inside Film Interview with Elias Koteas

    This interview originally appeared in Inside Film on an unlisted date. Interview by Steve Goldman. Copyright of A & R Publishing, Limited.

    Friendly Fire (Part II)

    How did you get cast in the film?

    The usual way. I was sent the script by my agent about a month or so before filming started. We set up an appointment. I auditioned. They put me on tape and sent it off to Terrence Malick in Australia and that was it. It happened real fast. Just the same way I'm sure that real soldiers are recruited. You get the news and boom! You're on a plane and suddenly you're off overseas with all the fear and anxiety of fulfilling your mission and the fear and anxiety that you might not be able to cut the mustard.

    Were you up against any major names?

    I don't know. It was tough for him to cast the whole film, though. I heard that it took a while. So I felt that weight as well, that sense of rsponsibility in taking on the part, which was paralled in the character's sense of responsibility towards his men. Each time you go into a job, each journey is different. Sometimes you feel like you're nailing it, other times you feel like you've never acted before. This time it was more of the latter. Couple that with having limited reheasal time and that puts on a lot of pressure. As an actor you try to use it.

    What is the relationship between this film and Steven Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan?

    America learned a lot about warfare during Guadalcanal, as depicted in this film. The troops were green and inexperienced. Hence the major connection with Private Ryan is that what we learned in warfare in that vicious South Pacific battle we took to D-Day--Oddly enough, I was also cast for this film on the anniversay of D-Day.

    What did you know about Terrence Malick?

    Only his reputation. It was only when I got home that I watched his previous films. I was aware of Days of Heaven and Badlands, but I hadn't seen them. But I learned a lot, obviously, by working with him. Terry has an amazing improvisational quality. When he discovered my Greek background, for example, he incorporated it into the character.

    How close did it feel to a real battle?

    For those five months, it was my war. You have to go through that process. For better or for worse, my life paralleled some of those anxieties. And I could only use that in terms of myself and my craft. If I don't get this job right as an actor, will I have a future? The same for Captain Staros. If he doesn't fulfill his mission, will he have a future as a soldier?

    What was day-to-day life like on the set?

    Obviously, we didn't have trailers, we had camps. And then we would either hike along the trails or be driven to the set, or "the front" as I would call it. It was very similar to Chapter Four of All Quiet on the Western Front. That's the parallel. And I don't mean disrepsect towards the men who endured it. Whatever I understand, it is in my own minuscule way, compared with what any soldier goes through.

    It's quite a jump from your Ninja Turtle films. I assume Malick didn't base his casting decision on those performances.

    No. He didn't se anything I've done. Didn't want to. He felt it would distract him from assessing me. He wanted to see me as me and then try to capture that. And I respected that. I also didn't want to see his other movies and be intimidated. So we both started on a level playing field.

    Has being a part of this film altered you?

    I knew going in I would come out altered. That was part of the attraction. No one ever changes on a casual whim. You have to go in kicking and screaming to come out the other end in some positive way with a different appreciation for life. After a while I felt such a connection to the insanity of the moment that I was addicted to it. Anything other than that wasn't enough. We were scared, and that's why the film is authentic.

The Thin Red Line - Interview With Ben Chaplin

 


    Inside Film Interview With Ben Chaplin

    This interview originally appeared in Inside Film on a date I can't find anywhere contained in it. Interview by Simon Goodman. Copyright of A&R Publishing, Limited.

    Game Over

    Ben Chaplin's apprenticeship as the latest export of Cool Britannia is over. Simon Goodman spoke to him about how he manages to keep sane in a world full of poodle parlors, plastic surgeons and directors who send you off to boot camp.

    Ben Chaplin moved to Hollywood by default. It wasn't work that sent him there. It wasn't ambition to become the greatest British living legend. He wasn't hankering to be to be the next boy from over here who's doing rather well over there.

    "It wasn't really a conscious move. I was chasing romance more than work. Then I met a couple of people there who saw me in a play in London and then I got an agent."

    That led to his film debut in The Truth About Cats and Dogs in which he starred opposite Uma Thurman. Chaplin then took the leading role opposite Jennifer Jason Leigh in Agnieszka Holland's version of Henry James' novel Washington Square. His next big feature film project is Lost Souls.

    Not bad for a lad who made his name on British TV as Matt, the surfing skunk pussy with agoraphobic tendencies in BBC sit-com Game On. Despite the fact that Ben has spent "more time out there than I have done over here in the past four years" and much to the disapointment of the cynics and the wannabes, he will never lose touch with his roots. Or dye them for that matter because he is not an advocate of Beverly Hills chic.

    "It's an interesting phenomenan. Some people think that just because I am working in Hollywood I have rejected England. That's so English. I'd never pretend to be American or adopt any aspect of the accent." Perhaps it is Chaplin's nostalgia for his home turf that influenced Terence Malick's decision to cast him in the role of Pvt. Bell.

    "You always make it better than it is when you're away from your loved ones. Terry always had this thing about Bell's wife--that my imaginings, my memories of the relationship were rose-tinted. The memories needed to be as good as that to keep Bell going."

    Chaplin acknowledges that, like the other actors in The Thin Red Line, he was a receptacle for Terence Malick's vision. "My journey is Terry's: he chose the journey for all the characters. We all represented something different. My character was the embodiment of love. I myself had this whole other journey in the film so I never felt more powerful as an actor as I did working on that film. Terry was a big enabler. However, I never felt more powerless as well. Terry's a visionary. You trust it because you are there for him. All of us were there to serve him."

    Chaplin's personal journey reflects one that most of the cast seem to travel through while filming.

    "The whole film was a massive life experience. I am now Ben Chaplin plus that film. It was intense." The intensity began with a nine-day World War II style boot camp hosted by a couple of Vietnam vets. "You had to have your rife with you the whole time and if you didn't you were seriously punished. Not just you but the entire platoon were sent on a two mile run in the tropics. I can't tell you how hot it was."

    Did anyone throw a wobbly?

    "No, but we all wanted to. We thought that it was going to make us all sick before filming. And we were! But during the process we all realised how absolutely necessary it was".

    What followed was an exhausting schedule that lasted five months. Though Chaplin is adamant that it wasn't on Apocalypse Now levels.

    "There were a few times when I went stir crazy. One time I took a production car without permission and just drove it back to the hotel. That is sinful and I could have been fired for it. No one found out. Once I got back to the town I rang up and told them where I was. I was going nuts.

    "When you partied you partied very hard and not in a particularly sensitive way. it was very male. You felt it happening to yourself. It wasn't anything you could control. There was a lot of drinking. We played pool. I was actually quite good. They were playing American rules, you've got Australian rules, then there's Queensland rules which are different to the New South Wales rules. We were close to few punch-ups around the table a lot of the time."

    Chaplin, however, is very aware that to compare his five months in the jungle with that of a real life experience smacks of the kind of luvvie bravado that gives his profession a bad name. "It seems disrespectful to to compare the bond that was created between all the actors with the bond between the soldiers who died in the actual conflict. On my level it was the most intense bonding I have ever gone through, There's a tenderness there which really comes across in the film. An experience like that stays with you forever."

The Thin red Line - Interview with Jim Caviezel

 


    The London Interview with Jim Caviezel

    This interview originally appeared in This Is London on February 23, 1999. Interview by Steven Goldman. Copyright of Associated Newspapers, Limited.

    Leading The Thin Red Line

    If Jim Caviezel carries the translucent shroud of shell-shock about him, it's with good cause. The 30-year-old actor is, after all, a survivor of Terrence Malick's Second World War epic, The Thin Red Line - easily one of the most anticipated and perplexing films of the year. Still, it's hard to say if Caviezel's aw'-shucks farm-boy bewilderment is due to the sudden spotlight which surrounds his de facto stardom or the fact that his performance somehow managed to survive one of the messiest cutting-room floors in recent memory.

    "My whole thing was to do the best I could," says the man himself, a virtual unknown outside casting circles until hand-picked by Malick for the central role of Private Witt - an AWOL grunt who returns to his unit for the battle of Guadalcanal. "There were many voices who said, 'We could get Brad Pitt. We could get Matthew McConaughey. We could get Johnny Depp ... Caviezel - we can't even pronounce the name'. Well, I told Mr Malick, 'You ask them if, when they first saw it, they could pronounce the name Schwarzenegger - I certainly bet they were able to do it after a few million dollars'."

    In short order, Hollywood has learned to pronounce the name (it's of Swiss origin and sadly rhymes with "weasel"). All it took was rave reviews and a million-dollar-plus opening in the US, despite a release initially limited to a scant seven theatres. And so, all of a sudden, Hollywood has come to court an actor often dismissed in the past.

    Dressed in a rag-wool sweater and sporting the requisite blend of humility and braggadocio, Caviezel certainly looks as if he's the new male lead. The fact that he is, in The Thin Red Line at least, is down to pure luck. Initially 20th Century Fox decided to build an early publicity campaign around newcomer Adrien Brody, who was central to the original screenplay, only to discover that his performance was largely excised from the final cut. (Among the other amputees from the million feet of footage: Gary Oldman, Bill Pullman, Lukas Haas and a voiceover narration by Billy Thornton; stars John Travolta and George Clooney survive, but enjoy less than six minutes of screen time combined.)

    "I was so focused on the job at hand that I never thought beyond filming," says Caviezel, who spent 127 days on a shoot which moved from Daintree Rainforest in northern Australia to the Solomon Islands. "Every day I would say, 'Today is the last day of the rest of my life ... this hour, this moment, this scene right here'. So I never thought I'd be sitting here in front of you. Never conceived it ... I had simply promised the man who had given me the opportunity that I would give it all I had. And I knew what a responsibility it was."

    A Catholic schoolboy from rural Mount Vernon in Washington State, Caviezel describes himself as a "shy kid" who developed a taste for mimicry at an early age and, soon after, the stage. "I would do Eddie Murphy, just about anyone to get a laugh. But then when I started doing plays in school, things began to change. All the nuns and teachers would come up afterwards and tell me I just had to go into acting. Of course there were two things I didn't want to be back then, namely an actor or a priest. I mean, if I had my choice, I would have been a basketball player."

    Caviezel, nevertheless, soon made his break from hoops to acting with a bit part as an Italian ticket agent in Gus Van Sant's My Own Private Idaho - securing the role only after fooling local casting agents into believing he was a recent Italian immigrant. With a Screen Actors' Guild card in hand, he moved to California with his wife Kerri (the couple now divide their time between LA and Mount Vernon), landing minor roles in lacklustre films like Diggstown, Wyatt Earp and Matt Le Blanc's monkey movie, Ed. To put it bluntly, Caviezel found himself going nowhere fast. "I was looking ahead through my life, where I wanted to be and what I wanted to do. It was around that time I started thinking about going back to school to become a chiropractor, like my father. Fortunately it was around that time that I also got the call from Terrence Malick.

    "I grabbed the phone and tears started coming out of my eyes," says Caviezel when asked about the summons from the maverick director of Badlands and Days of Heaven. "I told him that whatever he needed me to do, I had the confidence to do it. That I'd be there for him."

    And in the end, it was Malick - returning with his first movie in 20 years - who remained faithful to Caviezel's performance. "Towards the end of filming, I'd get calls from my agent about new projects casting out of [20th Century] Fox. But they needed to see this film first and I didn't know who was going to be cut out. I could have been cut out, for all I knew ... I just happened to be fortunate that I ended up in the situation I'm in right now."

    Whether The Thin Red Line can ignite Caviezel's career as Malick's Days of Heaven did for Richard Gere remains to be seen. But the formerly struggling actor will make dramatic inroads in the months ahead with Ang Lee's US Civil War drama, Ride With the Devil, and the American football pic, Any Given Sunday, which he is currently filming with Oliver Stone. The roles are notably supporting ones in ensemble films which may not give Caviezel the break-out he deserves. No matter, as far as the actor is concerned. "After being involved with a project like this," he says, "what could you possibly do to top it?"



 

    The Lexington Herald-Leader Interview with Jim Caviezel

    This interview originally appeared in the Lexington Herald-Leader on January 15, 1999. Interview by Heather Svokos, Pop Culture Writer. Copyright of the Lexington Herald-Leader.

    `Thin Red Line' Star 'Accents' Role With Echoes of Kentucky

    In The Thin Red Line, Jim Caviezel plays the movie's central figure, an idealistic Kentucky farm boy caught in the horrors of front-line combat in World War II.

    Caviezel's performance is gripping, and as audiences watch it unfold they'll hear traces of Dave DeMarcus, a young Fayette County cattle farmer.

    And see glimpses of Elhannen Stacey, Bert Goff, Frank Hickey, and Kelly Watkins, four World War II veterans from Breathitt County.

    With the part of Private Witt in The Thin Red Line, Caviezel, 30, has snagged his first major part, after 10 years of plugging away in show business. And at least part of his critically acclaimed performance was shaped in Kentucky.

    After director Terrence Malick selected him for the role, he suggested that Caviezel visit the Bluegrass.

    No problem - he was bent on going anyway.

    Caviezel figured one of his acting buddies might be able to help. So he called Josh Hopkins, a Lexington up-and-comer whom he worked with in G.I. Jane. Hopkins is also the son of former U.S. Rep. Larry Hopkins and his wife, Carolyn.

    "I thought of Josh right away," Caviezel said from his Los Angeles home. "He was my only tie into Kentucky. Josh and I are very close."

    Although Caviezel, like Hopkins, is a natural-born mimic, he hails from Mount Vernon, Wash . "I couldn't speak a lick of Southern dialect, let alone Kentucky."

    Recalls Hopkins: "He wanted me to help him with the accent. I said: 'Jimmy, you gotta go to Kentucky.'"

    Hopkins hooked Caviezel up with Dave DeMarcus, a Sayre School classmate who now raises cattle and tobacco at his farm off Winchester Road. DeMarcus and his wife obliged, and for two weeks Caviezel watched, learned and rolled up his sleeves. He milked cows and watched while DeMarcus oversaw cattle breeding and tested bulls for fertility.

    So, was the Hollywood boy grossed out by the down-and-dirty business of farm life?

    "Not really," DeMarcus said. "He was right in there."

    The whole time Caviezel observed DeMarcus at work, he'd watch the farmer's mouth - he also video and audiotaped DeMarcus, so he could hone his speech pattern.

    "Jim really worked on the sound," Hopkins said. "Dave has a pretty thick accent, and Jim came away sounding exactly like him."

    DeMarcus thought so, too. "At supper, he'd say: `Tell me how I'm doing. Do I sound like you?'"

    "Yeah, I guess you do," DeMarcus recalled with a grin. "My family thought it was hilarious."

    Meeting with veterans

    While Caviezel was doing his research, Hopkins' mother, Carolyn, took the actor to Breathitt County, where he met four World War II veterans.

    "We just sat down and talked about what life was like before, and the Depression," Caviezel said. "They were poor - they walked to school for about 4 or 5 miles, so going into the military and having to run 15 miles - that was nothing - they were tough. For them it was like going into the Boy Scouts."

    One of the veterans was Elhannen Stacey of Jackson, who saw frontline combat in Italy and southern France.

    "He asked a lot of questions to get a better understanding of what the people were like in this area," Stacey said. "He seemed to be very sincere about doing his research. He wanted to be as realistic as possible in the part he played."

    Stacey says he and the three other veterans who met with Caviezel plan to catch the film when it opens this weekend, and they'll be rooting for Caviezel. "I understand it's a blood-and-guts, front-line type of part," Stacey said.

    Caviezel extracted a few things from each of his research subjects to help him find Private Witt's foundation. He used DeMarcus' work ethic, his youth and his physicality. From the veterans, he got an idea of their experiences during the war, and what it was like growing up in pre-World War II Kentucky. "That right there was the heart of the whole trip," he said.

    Caviezel has already received excellent notices for his work - Rolling Stone movie critic Peter Travers said he gave a performance of "shattering intensity."

    The actor seems elated that he landed such a major role in a Malick film. (The acclaimed director has steered clear of moviemaking for 21 years. His two previous films were Badlands in 1973, and 1978's Days of Heaven.)

    When he describes the emotional roller coaster that led him - a self-described "no-namer" - to being selected, he loads the saga with tales of letdown, basketball metaphors, fate-filled meetings and games of career roulette. But it boils down to this:

    10 years of trying

    One night, perched on the edge of his bed, he told his wife, Kerri: "This is it. If it doesn't happen, it's over."

    "It wasn't about quitting," he recalled. "It's just that it's been 10 years. I look at the future and I want to have kids some day, and I want to feed them."

    "It comes to a point where play time's over."

    Then, after months of pins-and-needles, Malick finally rang him up.

    "He just said," and here Caviezel breaks into a Texan-meets-Kermit the Frog imitation of Malick: "`Well Jim, I was wondering if, uh, you know, well, you know, you would like to play the role of Witt.'

    "If my eyes had flood dams, they were released - they broke. I pulled the phone away, because I didn't want him to think I was desperate."

    He told Malick: "You made the right decision. I will give you more than you expected, or would ask of anybody."

    "He said, `I know.'

    "I just walked around, I could see colors differently - I noticed the dirty colors of the smog. ... It's always an asphalt jungle, but the Hollywood signs - I just wanted to go over and kiss them."

    Hopkins is thrilled for his friend. Both actors agree that it's great to see the guys you struggled with make a breakthrough. (Incidentally, Hopkins has another Thin Red Line connection: his L.A. roommate, Dash Mihok, has a part in the film.)

    Caviezel's Private Witt, is an idealist who proves to be a thorn in the side of Sgt. Welsh (Sean Penn).

    Similar to character

    "I think Terry (Malick) casted a lot of guys who are similar to their characters. I'm not as good as Witt, but I have idealistic leanings. I think Sean's character is a lot like him - he doesn't trust people, and he thinks you've got to get what you can, but deep down, he's got a heart of gold.

    "If you had to go to war and fight with someone, I'd definitely pick (Penn). He's the kind of guy that works when everyone's got their back turned. He's very brash - he doesn't come off pretty - but he's the very thing a coach would love."

    With all the sweat and homework Caviezel put into his part, his coach - Malick - might think the same of him.

    "He came away really treasuring his time in Kentucky," Hopkins said. "He wants to come back. He said, `Someday I'd like to have a big house and a horse farm in Kentucky.' He loved it.

    "I knew he would."