You’re
grabbing a microphone making up some lines and putting them in someone’s mouth,
and then you finally have this finished thing. It’s exciting!
Gold Leader, that actor [Angus MacInnes] is still alive, so we
looped him [re-recorded new dialogue to dub over footage] and I think it was a
really heady experience for him to be looping himself 40 years later, but that
was a lot of fun.
Colin Goudie: What was interesting about
that was that we had one day right at the beginning of the process back in
2014, and Gareth and I had just done a tour of the archives at Skywalker ranch,
and as we were leaving we came out of the back. And out the back there were
racks and racks of film and Gareth said ‘what’s that?’
And they said ‘that’s the original reels from ‘A New Hope’’, and
Gareth said ‘can we see that? See what’s on it?’ And they were like ‘yeah, I
guess!’
And that’s where the idea came from. We went through those cans
of film and looked at them and it was like ‘oh my gosh, we can and integrate
the pilots in somehow.’
Yahoo Movies: Well, it got a round of applause when we saw
it, so we’re glad you figured it out.
John Gilroy: [Laughs] You know
what’s really fun? I’m a fan, but not like Colin. By the way, Colin was our
‘Star Wars’ fan, any time I had to understand the authenticity of something, I
would ask Colin: he is a true fan.
But it was so much fun to plant, and to put in all these little
‘Star Wars’ nuggets through the movie, and when we finally showed it… we didn’t
have previews. But to see people respond to those things… you know, we’re not
making too much of
them, because if you didn’t know, it would be OK too, but when people see those
little things, they’re so happy, it was touching to see.
Colin Goudie: I would also say what’s
interesting there that John just alluded to – [having no previews] – was
actually one of the hardest challenges on this film.
It’s certainly unlike anything I’ve ever done, and John’s got
much more experience of huge movies than I have but normally with everything
I’ve ever done we previewed. Even the smallest films, the smallest independent
movies, we previewed them. And based on those reactions, you get this feedback
in the room from an audience. Is it too slow? Is it too fast? What’s working,
what isn’t?
And as John just said, because of the secrecy on a ‘Star Wars’
film, they don’t preview. And so the first time we saw that was with 2,700
other people at the world premiere.
And that means you just don’t know until you see it like that.
John Gilroy: This happens with
movies that are this popular. The preview thing just becomes very problematic.
We’ve done friends and family screenings in the past, but we were really busy
right to the end, that’s the only way I can put it, and we had a lot to do.
We added our composer Michael Giacchino really, really late to
the game and we were really running at the movie very hard right up to the very
end. So it’s a combination of security and time that didn’t permit us to show
this to people, which is what you would normally do because you learn a lot
from preview screenings.
I
think we thought that we had… we were all very excited. I know I was very
excited by the movie even before people saw it, I could look back at it and go
‘oh yeah, I think people are going to like this.’ So many things were coming
together it was really fun to watch, and to be a part of.
Colin Goudie: It’s interesting
because when we used to watch it in the dubbing theatre or when making IMAX
copies or things like that to review it, I was just sat there thinking ‘this is really good now’.
But it was also this thing of thinking ‘have I just become
delusional after two years?’
John Gilroy: I think editors have a…
you have to have a sturdier compass than most people, because you are seeing
things over and over and over again. But it’s true, we’re all human, you could
watch things so many times that you get a little numb.
Colin Goudie: We thought it was surprising
because every time I sat and watched it, I enjoyed it. Sometimes I was watching
the whole movie, particularly in that last week, reviewing those prints two or
three times a day, and each time I’ve thought ‘I’m still feeling it…
thankfully!’
It’s a good thing.
Yahoo Movies: Were there any particularly challenging
scenes that you were tinkering with right up until the end?
John Gilroy: I think the most – and
I’ve said this before in other interviews – I think sensitive dialogue scenes,
you have to have a finer sort of touch and they require even more attention
than the big action scenes, but that said I think what we did in the third act,
because there were so many things going on, I’m very proud of that. It was
really hard to do.
The movie also has some great scenes between the characters. I
think one of the things about this movie that really works is that it’s very intimate.
It’s really about this one woman’s journey.
She
collects these other people that help her, and there’s some really great scenes
in the movie. When she confronts Cassian after Eadu [the planet where Jyn
finally catches up with her father Galen Erso, played by Mads Mikkelsen], or
after Jedha. There’s some great meaty dialogue scenes and those were just a lot
of fun to put together and they were done really well.
I’d say on this movie the action was probably harder than those
dialogue scenes, but the dialogue, you have to have a very sensitive touch and
you have to very attuned to what those people are doing to really cut a great
dialogue scene.
Colin Goudie: That hologram scene [on
Jedha], talking of dialogue scenes, that was an interesting one because there
was so much going on. The camera moves, the hologram moves, and the Death Star
moving as well. There were shots from ILM with the actors and then you’ve got
to record Mads [Mikkelsen] to match the movement as well, based on which takes
we used. Things like that were very technically difficult scenes.
But I think that last battle scene, it’s like an hour, once they
get through the gate on to Scarif [the tropical planet that holds the Empire’s
Death Star plans]. I think people are surprised that when the movie feels like
it’s going to end, it carries on but not in a bad way as well.
It suddenly kicks up another notch. You’ve gone from the beach
scene to suddenly another huge action scene with [Darth] Vader and stuff.
John Gilroy: That’s actually very
rare that you can do that. You go from your main characters – they die – and
it’s incredibly poignant, then you go from there to Vader boarding the ship and
there’s this earned action sequence which is really quite mind-blowing
especially for ‘Star Wars’ fans. Then finally you go to Leia and emotionally
you’ve turned, you have three different emotions in the space of ten minutes,
but I don’t think anyone feels manipulated. And that’s really cool. That’s a
great way to end a movie.
So that people when they get up they’re like ‘yeah, OK good, I
feel good. Let’s go have a drink and talk about it.’
Colin Goudie: That last piece was a
real jigsaw. Because those scenes, up until that moment, most scenes followed
on logically. If you look at them, you have Galen on the platform in the rain,
that’s A follows B. Jyn leaves the shuttle and goes off, C follows then D.
The
last hour of that movie, certainly once the Rebel fleet arrives, the intercuts
go from the vault to the fleet above to the Rebels on the beach, there is
almost an infinite number of ways you can actually choose which scene to go to
next.
John Gilroy: But we were only
interested in the right way. We were interested in the right way and that’s
what we went for.
Colin Goudie: Yeah, that was probably
the hardest nugget to find. I think. Because that always something that’s a
difficult one to crack. It’s come together beautifully, but I think that’s one
of the hardest pieces.
John Gilroy: It was something that
had to be right. You had a lot to keep track of. There was quite a bit of
expository information that was being set up and you had to pay attention to,
and you had to make everything arc. You’re making all these things arc and come
to meet at the end, so it was very tricky.
It was challenging. But it was fun. It’s funny when something
like that, something complicated like that, you can feel when it starts to
click in. We were feeling those clicks early on, but when you finally get it
right you can really feel it all snap together and you go ‘aha!’
Colin Goudie: It’s kind of like a Rubik’s
Cube. Whereby you have to mess it all up until you do that last piece of the
puzzle. You get closer and closer and closer, then suddenly on that penultimate
move you mix the entire Rubik’s Cube up and then you slot it all back in and
then that’s it. And I think that was how I felt that last hour went.
John Gilroy: That’s a good analogy,
I like that.
Yahoo
Movies: Are there any deleted scenes or cut scenes that you’re really
proud of that you’d like to see the light of day eventually?
Colin Goudie: Hmm.
John Gilroy: I don’t know. For me,
no. I can’t think of anything.
Colin Goudie: There’s a handful that
if people see them they’ll be like ‘oh that’s interesting’, but I don’t think
there’s anything whereby you’d be like ‘why did they cut that out?’
John Gilroy: We were in a different
position. It wasn’t like ‘the movie’s great, but we have to lose 10 minutes’ or
whatever. It was a different situation.
Yahoo Movies: Did you ever discuss having transition wipes
like the original films?
John Gilroy: Sure.
Colin Goudie: It was discussed very
early on.
John
Gilroy: With this movie we really wanted to do some things
different. This movie has a prologue, it doesn’t have the crawl at the
beginning and so on.
Wipes were experimented with but…
Colin Goudie: I think we used all those
original wipes and we temped [a temporary soundtrack] it with John Williams as
well, and it would feel right. Like when we did the original story reels, I was
using footage from other movies, so having those wipes and having the John
Williams score helped with making the hodge podge of shots I’d put together
feel like what we were aiming for.
Once we actually got in everything we’d shot, we no longer
needed those things and I was initially sad to see the transitions go, but then
when I watch the final film, I don’t miss them, because it feels like a
different beast.
It feels familiar but at the same time fresh.
John Gilroy: I think that it’s
wonderfully… it’s just the right amount of different from other ‘Star Wars’
movies, but it also feels very much like a ‘Star Wars’ movie.
It’s a very tricky line to walk but I feel like we got it right.
Because true ‘Star Wars’ fans can really get a lot out of it, but it’s also
what it is. It’s a different movie and it kind of morphs, right at the very end
with Darth Vader and Leia, it morphs into ‘A New Hope’.
You can see it in the last little while, it starts to morph into
and cut more like the original movie and feel more like the original movie. I
just think that’s great, that we had our own film language and then we were
able to – at the end – move ourselves so that we could touch the beginning of
that first movie.
‘Rogue One: A Star Wars’ story is in cinemas nationwide now.
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